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		<title>By: Nunc Scio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Finkelstein affair ends with a whimper</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4138</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunc Scio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Finkelstein affair ends with a whimper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  the war on idiocy Finkelstein affair ends with a whimper      Professor Norman Finkelstein&#8217;s long battle with DePaul University is over. The embattled academic announced his decision to resign from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  the war on idiocy Finkelstein affair ends with a whimper      Professor Norman Finkelstein&#8217;s long battle with DePaul University is over. The embattled academic announced his decision to resign from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cork</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-1684</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I have listened to and long admired Norman Finkelstein&#039;s expressions of truth about Israel for ten years.

As for Attorney Dershowitz, anyone who takes Joan Peters and Mark Twain to be scholars should be at Slippery Rock, at best, rather than Harvard.

If being Jewish requires a whimpering, nose-to-the-ground obedience to all that AIPAC pushes about Washington and all that Zionists distort in promoting Israel, then justice in the Middle East, and peace, are impossible.

A jury of true scholars on this issue would not be wimps equal to the LA prosecutors who did not know that unused leather gloves shrink and that men who eat lots of salt on large quantities of food end up weighing more, with thicker fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I have listened to and long admired Norman Finkelstein&#8217;s expressions of truth about Israel for ten years.</p>
<p>As for Attorney Dershowitz, anyone who takes Joan Peters and Mark Twain to be scholars should be at Slippery Rock, at best, rather than Harvard.</p>
<p>If being Jewish requires a whimpering, nose-to-the-ground obedience to all that AIPAC pushes about Washington and all that Zionists distort in promoting Israel, then justice in the Middle East, and peace, are impossible.</p>
<p>A jury of true scholars on this issue would not be wimps equal to the LA prosecutors who did not know that unused leather gloves shrink and that men who eat lots of salt on large quantities of food end up weighing more, with thicker fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nunc Scio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Finkelstein put on leave, vows to fight</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunc Scio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Finkelstein put on leave, vows to fight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] put on leave, vows to fight      Norman Finkelstein, professor and subject of an extremely controversial tenure decision at DePaul University, has been put on &#8216;administrative leave&#8217; (subscription required) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] put on leave, vows to fight      Norman Finkelstein, professor and subject of an extremely controversial tenure decision at DePaul University, has been put on &#8216;administrative leave&#8217; (subscription required) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nunc Scio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ward Churchill fired from University of Colorado</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-1440</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunc Scio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ward Churchill fired from University of Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of course, is slightly suspect. A few weeks ago I posted on Norman Finkelstein, another academic denied tenure apparently for the controversial and confrontational style of his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of course, is slightly suspect. A few weeks ago I posted on Norman Finkelstein, another academic denied tenure apparently for the controversial and confrontational style of his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dk</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if collegiality was the issue here, how come his own department approved his tenure 9-3? It was a different, higher up, committee that voted 4-3 against tenure. There was another committee that voted 5-0 in favour, but I&#039;m kinda losing track of all the positive votes ;)

the guy has solid publications, and is acknowledged to be a good teacher. At any Canadian university, that is enough to get you tenure. It&#039;s much harder to actually get a tenure-track position in many fields than it is to reach the tenure stage! 

They also criticized him for &quot;Advocacy&quot;. I thought that was unbelievable. In my field many profs are clear advocates for social change, so I&#039;m not sure what the point is on that account. I guess when your enemy is &quot;big business&quot; you can attack all you want. But if it&#039;s a hot, multi-sided debate like this, it&#039;s dangerous to be an advocate. Noam Chomsky would have been denied tenure years ago if this was the case. 

This just shows that anyone doing a PhD should not delve into controversial topics. Do something nice and uncontroversial, then get tenure, and then do the controversial work that you really want to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if collegiality was the issue here, how come his own department approved his tenure 9-3? It was a different, higher up, committee that voted 4-3 against tenure. There was another committee that voted 5-0 in favour, but I&#8217;m kinda losing track of all the positive votes <img src='http://www.nuncscio.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>the guy has solid publications, and is acknowledged to be a good teacher. At any Canadian university, that is enough to get you tenure. It&#8217;s much harder to actually get a tenure-track position in many fields than it is to reach the tenure stage! </p>
<p>They also criticized him for &#8220;Advocacy&#8221;. I thought that was unbelievable. In my field many profs are clear advocates for social change, so I&#8217;m not sure what the point is on that account. I guess when your enemy is &#8220;big business&#8221; you can attack all you want. But if it&#8217;s a hot, multi-sided debate like this, it&#8217;s dangerous to be an advocate. Noam Chomsky would have been denied tenure years ago if this was the case. </p>
<p>This just shows that anyone doing a PhD should not delve into controversial topics. Do something nice and uncontroversial, then get tenure, and then do the controversial work that you really want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ADHR</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>ADHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dawg,

I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to assume that Finkelstein has gone from almost-tenured to being fired. When you&#039;re on the tenure-track, you really only have two ways to go: get tenured or go somewhere else. Tenure-track appointments are time-limited. So, if you don&#039;t get tenure, your appointment will end and you will have to go somewhere else. That&#039;s why tenure&#039;s such a huge deal to academics: if you don&#039;t get it, you&#039;re pretty close to being out of a job. There&#039;s no middle-ground, whereby you can stick around and try again in a year or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dawg,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to assume that Finkelstein has gone from almost-tenured to being fired. When you&#8217;re on the tenure-track, you really only have two ways to go: get tenured or go somewhere else. Tenure-track appointments are time-limited. So, if you don&#8217;t get tenure, your appointment will end and you will have to go somewhere else. That&#8217;s why tenure&#8217;s such a huge deal to academics: if you don&#8217;t get it, you&#8217;re pretty close to being out of a job. There&#8217;s no middle-ground, whereby you can stick around and try again in a year or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Dawg</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who follow the links should also be aware that the university president, in his self-serving letter to Finkelstein, announced the termination of his employment next year.

&quot;Anti-Semitism&quot; is the new McCarthyism, make no mistake. Finkelstein is only the latest casualty, as the thought police continue to comb through American universities to root out anyone suspected of harbouring anti-Israel sympathies. One simply has to remind oneself of Daniel Pipes&#039; execrable promotion of campus snitching on his sick-making &quot;Campus Watch&quot; website. And here is the ADL, that redoubtable bastion of freedom of speech, on the Finkelstein decision:

&lt;i&gt;To the extent that DePaul&#039;s decision to deny tenure to Prof. Finkelstein is intended as a repudiation of his hateful and bigoted ideas, we applaud the University for its actions in standing up for its principles.&lt;/i&gt;

Only pro-Israel ideas, it appears, will be permitted in universities in the land of the free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who follow the links should also be aware that the university president, in his self-serving letter to Finkelstein, announced the termination of his employment next year.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anti-Semitism&#8221; is the new McCarthyism, make no mistake. Finkelstein is only the latest casualty, as the thought police continue to comb through American universities to root out anyone suspected of harbouring anti-Israel sympathies. One simply has to remind oneself of Daniel Pipes&#8217; execrable promotion of campus snitching on his sick-making &#8220;Campus Watch&#8221; website. And here is the ADL, that redoubtable bastion of freedom of speech, on the Finkelstein decision:</p>
<p><i>To the extent that DePaul&#8217;s decision to deny tenure to Prof. Finkelstein is intended as a repudiation of his hateful and bigoted ideas, we applaud the University for its actions in standing up for its principles.</i></p>
<p>Only pro-Israel ideas, it appears, will be permitted in universities in the land of the free.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.nuncscio.com/2007/06/12/finkelstein-and-academic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I thought Dershowitz kicked Finkelstein&#039;s ass on Democracy Now, especially when you consider the fact that Amy Goodman had set up an ambush for him. As a matter of fact it was Finkelstein in that debate that started  questioning Dershowitz&#039;s credentials for professorship. Finkelstein has been hoisted on his own petard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I thought Dershowitz kicked Finkelstein&#8217;s ass on Democracy Now, especially when you consider the fact that Amy Goodman had set up an ambush for him. As a matter of fact it was Finkelstein in that debate that started  questioning Dershowitz&#8217;s credentials for professorship. Finkelstein has been hoisted on his own petard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a doctorate, and my impression has always been that most tenure applications are rejected. A relative of mine has been rejected this year.  

Tenure is a promise of lifetime employment, and for this reason it is routinely denied to middling applicants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a doctorate, and my impression has always been that most tenure applications are rejected. A relative of mine has been rejected this year.  </p>
<p>Tenure is a promise of lifetime employment, and for this reason it is routinely denied to middling applicants.</p>
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		<title>By: ADHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Canadian numbers differ a bit, then. Although, I must say that a 40% rejection rate sounds like &quot;uncommon&quot; rather than &quot;rare&quot;!

Collegiality isn&#039;t the only qualification, but it matters more than many people, including many academics, know. Every story I&#039;ve ever heard around my department re: someone not getting tenured boils down to an inability to play the political game. So, teaching, etc. are necessary conditions but, unfortunately, not always sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Canadian numbers differ a bit, then. Although, I must say that a 40% rejection rate sounds like &#8220;uncommon&#8221; rather than &#8220;rare&#8221;!</p>
<p>Collegiality isn&#8217;t the only qualification, but it matters more than many people, including many academics, know. Every story I&#8217;ve ever heard around my department re: someone not getting tenured boils down to an inability to play the political game. So, teaching, etc. are necessary conditions but, unfortunately, not always sufficient.</p>
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